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Podcast 053


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Spolsky: Do you still mostly work from a cafe ?

Shipley: Oh every day.

Spolsky: Really ?

Shipley: Oh yes.

Spolsky: Is it just a regular Starbucks ?

Shipley: Uh no, it's like a local Seattle chain, I'm not a big fan of Starbucks actually.

Spolsky: Is it uh...?

Shipley: It's not really very fun to work out of a Starbucks, it's kind of like working in a
bank lobby you know.

Spolsky: <laughs>.

Shipley: There's not a lot of character going on there.

Spolsky: No, what is it, uh, are you allowed to say what the cafe is or are you too afraid of them.

Shipley: Yes it's called Zoka, in Seattle.

Spolsky: Oh.

Shipley: I actually work out of the University Zoka.

Spolsky: On, is it on University Ave. ?

Shipley: No it's called that because it's close to the whole University area and it
lets students know they can go there and be incredibly loud and annoying all day.

Spolsky: Hmm hmm, well you must like it because you go back every day.

Shipley: Well I actually tried going to a different one there was less students but what I discovered is that 30 year olds in Seattle are way more annoying than students because they're like bringing their babies.

Spolsky: Yeah.

Shipley: And that stuff.

Spolsky: <laughs>, our guest today is Wil Shipley the creator of Delicious Monster.

Shipley: Yes

Spolsky: Did I say that right?

Shipley: Well Delicious Monster is the company, Delicious Library is our first application.




Spolsky: I'm gonna be totally unequivocal about this.  My vision for StackOverflow is that there are a lot of programmers nowadays that learn programming by page faulting; they don't read books...

Shipley: Yes, exactly.  No, I totally agree with that.

Spolsky: The page faulting is I try doing something, I see something, maybe in a piece of sample code, I go to Google and I say "What is...", I type in a question; and I just want those people to come to StackOverflow where there's a nice, well-edited like wiki-like question.

Shipley: I think page faulting is a hilarious term for it.  I've always thought it was kind of parrot programming where you're learning to say sounds because you don't know what they mean, but sometimes you get a cracker.  And you're like, cool!  Apparently, if I say "Polly want a cracker!" you get a cracker, and you're like "Oh, well now I know...this."  

Shipley: And that's how we learn language.  Like English.  We don't sit down with the manual.  You don't say to your mom "I want straw-bapple ice cream" and she goes "Read the fucking manual!  It's not straw-bapple."  

[Everyone laughs]

Atwood: If your mom ever said to you "Read the fucking manual!", that would be...that would be the ultimate childhood Wil.  

Shipley: My mom kinda did, honestly.   I mean seriously, mom was pretty tough.  I mean it was like, you'd go "What does this mean?" and she'd go "Look it up in the dictionary...don't be lazy."



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