Spolsky: Let's see if Jeff's in today...
Atwood: Hi Joel.
Spolsky: Hey Jeff.
Atwood: Another exciting episode of our podcast.
Spolsky: That's right. Only this one's not going to be so exciting.
Atwood: Boring. You're going to make this one boring?
Spolsky: You might as well. If you're a listener at home, just turn it off now.
Atwood: Save yourself!
Spolsky: Oh, I have something which we should talk about on today's podcast. We should have a section where we recommend gifts for geeks.
Atwood: You know, I've done that for the last 2 years on my blog, and I was kind of debating not doing it this year.
Spolsky: Well you can do it on the podcast and then you won't have to do it on the blog. Then that will solve that debate, if you were on the fence.
Atwood: OK. Did you want to start, since it's your topic?
Spolsky: We want people to listen to this show, and it's going to be awful, so let's do it towards the end.
Spolsky: It'll just be like a 'teaser'.
Atwood: A penalty for listening. (laughs)
Spolsky: (laughing) A penalty for listening to the whole thing! I swear to god I was listening to Twit, and they said HDMI cables are always a good gift.
Atwood: Are you serious?
Spolsky: If you know somebody, you know, it's a good gift if you know somebody that has their DVD player or their game, X-Box or something, plugged into the TV with one of those composite cables, like just a single...
Spolsky: ...the one with the yellow RCA jack and nothing else, you might want to get them an HDMI cable.
Atwood: That's pretty exciting. You could also get them like an Ethernet cable.
Spolsky: Yeah. Cause they might not have that.
Atwood: Yeah, they might not have that. Cables, I think, make a great gift particularly for women in your life, I think.
Spolsky: (laughing) Forget jewelry and purses...
Atwood: (as if from experience) Oh they love cables, let me tell ya.
Spolsky: ...and handbags.
Atwood: Yeah, just get 'em like, pink cables, cause then it's for the ladies. That's the guideline I used for buying consumer products. If it's pink it's for women. That's how I know.
Atwood: Otherwise I have no idea.
Spolsky: You know what I like to do? I go to Macys on the ground floor and you just look around at what people are looking at. You find somebody in the demographic you want to buy a gift for and you follow them around and you see what they're ..
Atwood:Oh thats a good technique. Sort of like following people around.
Spolsky: Ya and if there's a particular handbag that they really like, you'd be like hmmm, ok I know nothing about handbags but this one caught your eye so I'm getting for my girlfriend.
Atwood:Thats a good technique.
Spolsky: What are we supposed to talk about today actually?
Atwood:Well I can mention something thats actually stack overflow news. So I wrote a blogpost about deciding to rent versus buy. It is essentially now decided we are going to buy. Because I actually bought some stuff
Spolsky: Its like. Well if you buy you get a new server delivered to your house that you can play with.