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Spolsky: Do you still mostly work from a cafe ?
Shipley: Oh every day.
Spolsky: Really ?
Shipley: Oh yes.
Spolsky: Is it just a regular Starbucks ?
Shipley: Uh no, it's like a local Seattle chain, I'm not a big fan of Starbucks actually.
Spolsky: Is it uh...?
Shipley: It's not really very fun to work out of a Starbucks, it's kind of like working in a
bank lobby you know.
Shipley: There's not a lot of character going on there.
Spolsky: No, what is it, uh, are you allowed to say what the cafe is or are you too afraid of them.
Shipley: Yes it's called Zoka, in Seattle.
Shipley: I actually work out of the University Zoka.
Spolsky: On, is it on University Ave. ?
Shipley: No it's called that because it's close to the whole University area and it
lets students know they can go there and be incredibly loud and annoying all day.
Spolsky: Hmm hmm, well you must like it because you go back every day.
Shipley: Well I actually tried going to a different one there was less students but what I discovered is that 30 year olds in Seattle are way more annoying than students because they're like bringing their babies.
Shipley: And that stuff.
Spolsky: <laughs>, our guest today is Wil Shipley the creator of Delicious Monster.
Spolsky: Did I say that right?
Shipley: Well Delicious Monster is the company, Delicious Library is our first application.
Spolsky: I'm gonna be totally unequivocal about this. My vision for StackOverflow is that there are a lot of programmers nowadays that learn programming by page faulting; they don't read books...
Shipley: Yes, exactly. No, I totally agree with that.
Spolsky: The page faulting is I try doing something, I see something, maybe in a piece of sample code, I go to Google and I say "What is...", I type in a question; and I just want those people to come to StackOverflow where there's a nice, well-edited like wiki-like question.
Shipley: I think page faulting is a hilarious term for it. I've always thought it was kind of parrot programming where you just...you're learning to say sounds because you don't know what they mean, but sometimes you get a cracker. And you're like, cool! Apparently, if I say "Polly want a cracker!" you get a cracker, and you're like "Oh, well now I know...this."
Shipley: And that's how we learn language. Like English. We don't sit down with the manual. You don't say to your mom "I want straw-bapple ice cream" and she goes "Read the fucking manual! It's not straw-bapple."
Atwood: If your mom ever said to you "Read the fucking manual!", that would be...that would be the ultimate childhood Wil.
Shipley: My mom kinda did, honestly. I mean seriously, she...my mom was pretty tough. I mean it was like, you'd go "What does this mean?" and she'd go "Look it up in the dictionary...don't be lazy."