## Podcast 057

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Some students were able to reduce this algebra equation to its simplest form as fast as they could write, and some of them really had to think about it and really had to work on it. I would have been in that category, the second category. And he said that the people that could do it quickly was an almost perfect predictor of who would get an A in the course. In other words that was as good a predictor of math ability, as an entire semester in Calculus with problem sets every week and probably two mid-terms and a final. Was just like how fast can you solve a simple algebra problem that has nothing to do with calculus, it is using calculus but it is like a real simple algebra problem. The whole story is in my book "Smart and Gets Things Done".

Actually let me see if I can find what the problem... I can't remember the exact equation. Cornell, page 108, "Smart and Gets Things Done". Oh yeah, you basically had to simplify...

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Intro, advertising

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**Spolsky**: First of all, yes we got a lot of positive feedback from the Jason Calacanis podcast which actually sort of surprised me.**Atwood**: That's good because you were very worried about that.**Spolsky**: I was worried that our developers would be like, oh ick, he's one of those business guys.**Atwood**: Yeah, Jason's pretty cool though, I vetted, I listened to a couple of podcasts he was on and gave him my thumbs up so.**Spolsky**: Uh hu.**Atwood**: My gut feeling was that it would be OK.**Spolsky**: He's like one of the smartest people I ever talked to.**Atwood**: Yeah, he's smart but you know I still don't agree that Mahalo is doing the right thing.**Spolsky**: No, but that doesn't, you know, yeah.**Atwood**: <laughs>**Spolsky**: He's just a smart guy. I also, there's a couple of things about Mahalo. One is it sort of disturbs me their traffic seems to be relatively flat like, if it's really going to work it should be taking off. But you know maybe they'll change something and then it will go up. And also I totally, I still disagree with Jason and really don't think that they should ever, um, try to pay people for sex, so to speak.[02:24]

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**Spolsky:**I told this story to Gary Cornell, my publisher at Apress who used to be a math professor at*University of Connecticut*. Before he became the best-selling author of "Core Java" and started Apress he was a math professor. He said this reminds me of something Serge Lang said to him. Serge Lang is a math professor at Yale who is very interested in math education. Serge Lang at the beginning of freshman calculus at Yale, gave people for no credit, took out, told all the students to take out a piece of paper, and he put a fairly simple equation up on the board and said reduce this to its simplest terms. So this is basically 9th grade algebra. Then after like 30 seconds he said "stop!" and took all their pieces of paper.Some students were able to reduce this algebra equation to its simplest form as fast as they could write, and some of them really had to think about it and really had to work on it. I would have been in that category, the second category. And he said that the people that could do it quickly was an almost perfect predictor of who would get an A in the course. In other words that was as good a predictor of math ability, as an entire semester in Calculus with problem sets every week and probably two mid-terms and a final. Was just like how fast can you solve a simple algebra problem that has nothing to do with calculus, it is using calculus but it is like a real simple algebra problem. The whole story is in my book "Smart and Gets Things Done".

Actually let me see if I can find what the problem... I can't remember the exact equation. Cornell, page 108, "Smart and Gets Things Done". Oh yeah, you basically had to simplify...

*our math pages will recognize this*(?)...1/x + h - 1/x[10:20]quantity over h(?)

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